Suddenly, Marylin Manson comes off like Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm…

I had an interesting experience yesterday: recently saw the profile of a young woman on deviant art and she had some images of asian youths dressed in this neo-goth (as opposed to victorian goth or one of the other subsets) gear, i.e. cosplay. I’d seen some similar shots on FLickr and though I’d ask if there was a relation. Thus began my education on visual kei. Lain is quite young and lives in Germany. She wanted to IM rather than just try and answer me outright. It took us a few days (and me updating my IM, since my GAIM was gone wonky) to be on at the same time, but eventually there she was, complete with webcam, which in and of itself wasn’t such a big deal, but I don’t have one - so I’m ‘invisible’, talking with a girl less than half my age, and when you learn more about the subject matter, you might get the creepy vibe too. But this is about music education.
So after some introductions, she starts rapid firing images, songs and video links. I send some too, trying to explain my version of metal and darkness, but she isn’t digging it. I can forgive her the teenage attention span, after all she’s talking w/video to several other friends around the globe at the same time. But this basic difference in the way music and image have changed is what alarmed me. For me, Metal 101: Blue Cheer (’68, acid rock really but considered proto-metal) and Black Sabbath (’70) are the inital building block. I grew up in the 80’s and saw Maiden give way to Hair Metal. Then came mathrockesque neo-metal revival: Melvins, Breadwinner, Sepultura, The Fucking Champs, Mastadon et al. Sure there was always Slayer, and in truth, when mainstream metal went cheese there was serious underground splinter factions ‘keeping it real’ all along. See various Black Metal church burning, Thor whorshipping, lead guitarists commiting suicide so the remaining band members can wear pieces of his skull on chains around their neck, bands. Though I’ve never been one for that cookie monster voice/autistic drumming/arpeggio fest stuff. Out in Portland once trying to discuss it with a fan he explained to me what I’m into is ‘art metal’. But we were equally frustrated to encounter other fans who tried to relate by naming Tool, Metallica (yeah yeah yeah, ‘first few albums’ blah blah…but they went on to show their true colors…) or somesuch.
But she is of a different era. Image means just as much as the music. Rumors about pacts with the devil or what the acronym of your band name might stand for just don’t cut it anymore. The actual music she’s into strikes me as weak but I must say I’m taken by the imagery - after all I’m also an asian horror fan. And she had no interest in the ‘Honey Bucket’ video, as the guys had no budget and most likely shot it on some friend’s goat farm. Well, I guess you’d call that a ranch…
What can you do? The world is always changing. And in some ways it isn’t. At one point she typed ‘no one cares about the pain of the youth today’. *Ahem* I encouraged her to check out Nietzsche, esp. as she can read it in the original form (whoops, I mean ‘Prussian’). One thing’s for sure, alienated, pained youths didn’t used to have connectivity like this. A good and a bad thing on different levels.
This post could splinter in a variety of directions with discussions of ‘industrial’ (by which I’m talking Throbbing Gristle, Brighter Death Now school i.e. dark experimental music; not some sexy, whiny bitch dance music), or ‘punk’, whatever that means. But the fact is the tree branches just keep on splintering. There is good and bad in all genres, like always, and no accounting for taste. But personally I’d like to see the actual riffs and fills stay strong - keep striving for originality in the actual sound, not just the eye candy. But what do I know, I’m just some ranting geezer. So without further ado, here’s the Japanese band Dir en Grey-



I would also point out my American-centric and essentially hard rock shaped tastes when I go to complain about how fluffy the chorus of ‘Obscure’ seems to me, but when you consider the rich tradition of Japanese noise rock (see also Japanoise), there really isn’t much excuse for those boys. It’s marketing, slick and at root ‘mainstream’, despite some of what you see. Makes you wonder about future decades of hard music/image-

*also props to Sam Dunn for general research and info*

6 Comments so far

  1. lain on October 28th, 2006

    ok let me say something….
    first off visual kei is no mainstream
    second… i am kinda younger than you and i am in a different generation where musc changes and stuff as you said.
    i am into this music for years and i can tell you a lot about it so first you should listen to it before you try to explain your view because you don’t know anything about it yet.
    it’s right you got a different view of things then me but thats also the reason why you can’t feel like the “youth”
    so don’t take this wrong, i just wanna say this.

    greetings lain

  2. chillycasey on October 29th, 2006

    Lain, I’m really glad you wrote, because I can see how from your impression this might seem rude. And I don’t want that to be all you get from it. And I truely appreciate the beginnings of education I got from our conversation. It was cool.
    First of all let me completely agree with you that I am very new to understanding this subculture. I don’t know shit at all really. I am only making some first impressions. I don’t mean to JUDGE a genre like I’m some social critic or something…
    I thought the images were intense in that video and that’s what I wanted to share. But it doesn’t go with the music at all for me. Many of my friends hearing will instantly think the same thing. And that doesn’t matter at all. Because everyone is going to like whatever they want to, choose this over that, and it’s all good. ‘Music being made’ is always better than ‘no music being made’. Btw, I guarantee there have been/will be metalheads who think I don’t know what the fuck I’m talking about with this brief rundown. Thanks for reminding me that while sometimes when I’m writing, I have in mind the audience of the few friends I know are reading this, when it fact it’s being broadcast to a wider audience. I didn’t mean to offend or step on anyones cred by throwing around the term ‘mainstream’ too loosely.
    Also, I forgot to mention the other day, check out a novel ‘Coin Locker Babies’ by Ryu Murakami, I really think you’ll like it and I feel it relates to this subculture, that once again, I really don’t know that much about.

  3. manunderstress on October 30th, 2006

    What’s up with the fishnet stocking face mask? That’s just plain gay… Looks like of the VK stuff is like emo-metal meets goth-glam, kind of interesting.

  4. McQ on January 5th, 2007

    Man- you wouldn’t believe this, but I turned down a job teching for this band after seeing it on Headbangers Balls. The guy who I was in contact with said they were ” very technically challenging” ie, a pain in the ass. The last thing I figured I needed was those goofballs barkin at me about some stupid shit like their wammy bar didn’t work or somthing…

  5. chi li on January 5th, 2007

    McQ, I can’t see you working for these guys, nor picture you really understanding their ‘wammy bar barks’. But the theoretical hot female fans and their willingness to embrace vivisection may have made that gig worth it…
    Reminds me of your neighbors out in SF in ‘96, those crazy girls who’d done some time with Pantera. “You guys didn’t also cut the monkey in these photos, did you?”

  6. McQ on January 8th, 2007

    The vivisection would’ve been cool, like in Faces Of Death when they eat the brains!

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